Brickadia is 9 years old! ⚠ Half the team left? ⚠

DingoAnanas

As the title mention, we passed some days ago the 9 years of Brickadia dev (yea)
I wanted to create a new thread to speak about it, it would be interesting to dicuss what has been done so far, what do you,as players, expect to see in the future, and where did the devs succeed/failed to create.

The next big update being in june 19th i think, it will introduce the new wires bricks (microships?) and the very long waited LUAU system.
If the devs manage to make it right (hehe), it will be very interesting to use it and will allow vast amount of moddable things, gamemods, and eventually addition of external content, which would be nice. Id like to drive a car with the possiblity to steam music.

This topic is meant to answer the "3 months later" one @zombie_striker did some time ago.

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ya know, one thing that will always get on my nerves about brickadia is the global moderation system. people have seen what happened with Rothary and Sylvanor, and people are understandably very upset about it.

why do we need global moderation in the first place? in blockland they never had this problem. if you were banned from one server you could just go to another one and continue your work there.

it's overrated, is too controlling and should be scrapped. why bother having multiplayer if they can just take it away from you with no warning and for no reason? sure blockland was chaos with a lack of global moderation but at least if you were banned from one server by a particularly bad admin, you could just jump ship to another server because the system allowed for people to do as they please . in blockland you could always just go somewhere else instead if something was bugging you but good luck doing that when you can't go anywhere at all!
imagine paying $20 for brickadia and being unable to access a core part of it because the admins have a grudge against you over some rather small and insignificant thing when you can pay, like, $15 for blockland and access all the core features even if you're banned from most of the big servers because your access to those features are not tied to a global system of unfair bans

i get that they wanted to stop brickadia from becoming the same toxic cesspit as blockland but sometimes having too much control over what users say and do is a bad thing.

most servers on brickadia are mostly fairly lax on rules just the bare minimum of
don't be a dick
don't spam bricks or chat messages
don't be racist, queerphobic or bigoted
treat people how you want to be treated
ideally that's all you'd need, and it'd work just fine without global mod shit but apparently they thought that wasn't enough and decided "actually, what if we could just ban people we don't like from multiplayer?"

why the **** does brickadia need a police state? it's a fucking brick building sandbox game! the moderators have too much control. they're so afraid of losing control and they're so overprotective that they just end up treating their users like utter shit. i say the people speak up, tell them "**** you i won't do what you tell me", gather together and overthrow the status quo. people will learn about the utter hell Sylvanor and Rothary were put through, and rise up against it all
together the common brickadian people shall rise up, to spit in the face of the status quo, to tell them "no, i do not want this", and they will not back down without a fight!

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the brickadia "community" is merely a panopticon of tyrannical moderation, it does not exist to foster actual friendships, or to give people a safe space to talk about things. it exists as an echo chamber of safe, corporate friendly nothing-burger circlejerking. it only exists to give the game a false exterior facade that only generic NPC players with a personality of "i like brickadia and i think it's neat!" and nothing else will pay no mind to. and despite that overly sanitized corporate exterior facade, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it's paper thin and can be easily punctured to reveal a lot of things that would go against the brickadia team's idea of a "community"

the official discord is not a "community", it is a Orwellian police state where anything out of the ordinary is immediately snuffed out to keep the game's image perfectly clean. nobody is allowed to form their own opinions. it's just "go along with everyone else or you'll get punished". people should open their eyes to this bullshit and realise "this is not real. this is fake. this "community" is lying to you. don't be another mindless sheep, wake up and see things for what they truly are."

Brickitect

[deleted] the brickadia "community" is merely a panopticon of tyrannical moderation, it does not exist to foster actual friendships, or to give people a safe space to talk about things

I beg to differ since I always encourage creativity and strive to inspire when I'm hosting or visiting servers.
I'm not on a team but I think what I've managed to create is a key pillar among others as a long term host, that hosted my now 8mil brick city as not only a gallery but a open and friendly chatroom.

The official discord is something else by itself but I run my own independent server while being in the main/other's

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also, let me just say this

i feel as more wire things are added and as the scripting revolution is planned out, we're essentially dividing the community between "skilled wire and logic users" and "average builders who don't know how to use wires and logic". like, your average brickadia user won't know how to script or do logic, because there's no infrastructure for learning how outside of "events in servers and communal lessons". and i feel like the systems are too complex for an average user to understand. i feel there should be more official in game tutorials… hell, the tutorial button on the main menu exists for a reason! why can't just just make a decent tutorial there? the tutorial for building is rather boring and bland. it's literally just "here is a tool. here's how to use this tool. use this tool on this build and proceed to the next area." ideally you'd want a tutorial where they show something to you, explain to you how it works, go through everything in detail, then give the player the tools to do it themselves as a hands on way of doing things. that's how you make a good tutorial. you show someone a basic concept, you show them how to use that concept in a safe environment, and then you let them execute that concept on their own and in their own way.

DingoAnanas

[deleted] Yeah but this is inevitable. Not everyone is meant to be able to code/script or wires complex thigns.
But yeah there should be at least an official tutorial with the bare minimum regarding simple stuff like "how to make a door" or "how to make a car". Maybe it will come in the future, who knows?

Note: i suppose the tutorial was made before wires were complete, and they didnt want to include stuff they didnt complete. It need an update.

Brickitect

DingoAnanas

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DingoAnanas i suppose the tutorial was made before wires were complete, and they didnt want to include stuff they didnt complete. It need an update.

Burnice made the tutorial btw. (it was beautiful and very nice) We might need a whole new one since she deleted all of her files as per screenshots.

zombie_striker

The one thing I will say is, we've now reached the full year since EA-DEMO as well.

If we look at what has been accomplished, not just in 9 years, but simply one year, we have all the big shit we all can gripe about.

We also have a dev team that still moves on past that, and doesn't acknowledge (to my knowledge) that there was a problem.

We also have a lua system planned to be executed, while they still keep a tight control on it. Still promising more control on limited features, that even further restrict users ability to actually play the game.

We have that they are optimizing the game, but they're optimizing in EARLY ACCESS. Now should be the time to put out messy, but working features. Early access Is not meant to be the final product, but they wanted to release a final product without having one yet. They felt, and the community felt, it should have been finished by now, and instead of tolerating imperfection, they strive for perfection and it slips through their fingers.

I do not blame them for the end result of the game. If any of us really wanted to, we can wait for the hype to die down, and either rebuild from a better foundation, or simply mod whats already there to suit our needs. It is what it is - imperfect, striving for perfection, and missing. That can both be read as pessimistic, as well as a rational assessment. However, even now, I don't see it purely as a stain on the dev team nor Brickadia that cannot be fixed - they have every opportunity to change, and we know they do sometimes read this site. I truly wish they could reflect, and strive for a better product by letting non-optimized "okay" features be enough for Early Access.

Totodile

So this is it? happy 9 years and half the devs and moderators do leave? what the hell happened

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Totodile i believe what's happened is that Burnice/Toriel spoke up against the devs anti lgbt stuff, and after vocally posting about it, the devs fired them, and that's had a knock on effect of Arekan, Kenko, Burnice/Toriel and a few others leaving the brickadia team entirely.

again i don't know too much myself,thats rumors.

if you have any questions, best to speak with them, not me.

as it currently stands i don't really know what is going to happen with brickadia going forward, but it seems their main priority is finishing work on EA3, and then i'd imagine they'd, i dunno, open source the master server/global mod thing or just abolish it entirely in case the main brickadia server shuts down, or just decide to allow fan hosted servers or whatever. if brickadia dies then that would be quite terrible because there's so much stuff on brickadia's gallery as well as 9 years worth of build saves, avatar presets, colour palette presets, individual legacy .brs and current .brz prefabs, etc.

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zeblote is a talented programmer but he should never have been in charge. he allows zero compromises to his own vision (a shit vision, by the way). it's his way or the highway & i am not the least bit surprised that half of his team decided to hit the road (some against their will unfortunately).

the cook should have stayed in the kitchen where he belongs. put someone else in charge.

Queuenard

this shit wasn't on my bingo card

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Engineers and code monkies are both programmers, but still distinct.

So what the **** did Zeblote even do to trigger this?

Totodile

Apparently some people got their hands on some chat logs between devs and some others team members and it was very bad. Like, they did make fun of customers or something like that. There was also apparently jokes about lgbt people. It would be cool if someone could tell us more. There is no way you fire half of a team you worked for years other than them being ultra toxic. Look like some banned people were right all along?

DingoAnanas

Eh? i wake up and get many pm saying half team is gone? (i renamed topic)

The **** happened lol

i wonder if all this sht backfired to them, i have been made aware brurnice (toriel), moo (confident), arekan and kenko left. This is something. i hope the game dev isnt compromized, ok its not main devs but still. Thats some hard sht for 9th birthday

Edit: Brickadia start to really look like blockland successor lol, its an endless clusterfuck of dramas

zombie_striker

Well, if it is a Blockland 2.0 (3.0?)……

…Then let us wait for Return to Brickadia (shit, that was already done)… umm… Brickadia Rebuilt?

Totodile

Posted on main discord then deleted right away as usual lol

Brickitect

Totodile I actually talked to darbot who is a newer mod, he does regret afterward, removing messages and realized that came across as censorship. After more talking I do think he will try to be better, they were in scramblemode in regaining bearings at the time. They seemed to be gathered while we also wait for Zeblote to get out of the hospital and express his own thoughts.

Rothary

Me and Dingo being banned years ago for "spreading misinformation" by making more or less these same claims about the Brickadia team and saying that exactly this would happen if they don't fix their shit.

Everything I did was to try to help them avoid this situation, because I want the game to succeed and here we are.

Totodile

Buildbox

Totodile I stand with that fact, even though i just found out how deep this truly goes this morning, i have had an off feeling about Zeblote and six for many months now, glad to know my superstitions are still never wrong.

Brickitect

techlean

I'll be honest, as much as I wasn't expecting this to happen any time soon, none of what is happening has surprised me at all.

While I never really agreed or got along with Dingo, him and Rothary getting the boot back around the start of 2024, with no clear reason given as to why, made me immediately suspicious. After that, I didn't really keep up with Brickadia that much (though for reasons completely unrelated). EA1 released and by then I kinda just, didn't care, didn't feel like it was worth the entry at the time.

Eventually though I did decide to hop back on Brickadia again about 2 months ago, some time after the early access price drop, because I need my internet lego game fix, and nothing else was really fulfilling that. And while I have been having fun, the game still feels a bit too much like an early alpha. (I get they want to focus on optimization of the game, but it wouldn't hurt to have updates that are more feature focused for crying out loud. I really wanted to get some friends into this game but it's hard to do that at the moment with the current level of stuff to do.)

I think I speak for all of us here when I say that my biggest worry is the future of the game. The current staff seem like they're trying to do damage control by just not letting anyone speak about it, which isn't going to fucking work because all that does is just make people talk about it more. Fuckin' hell, Litero's server was popping off and was full of people talking about nothing but the controversy. People aren't going to want to get into Brickadia if they hear that the staff team is a toxic circlejerk.

Honestly, at the moment, I think the best thing the staff could do is address the situation, and probably have Zeblote step down and take the back seat in regards to Brickadia's development. Prohibiting conversation about it has just made the situation worse, and they can't just keep throwing a tarp over this situation and hoping the fire dies out.

Anyways, that's my two cents over this whole debacle. Again, none of this surprised me, but I think that's more on my jaded and bitter sense of cynicism, which if anything, has been reaffirmed by this situation.
I'll edit this post if I want to add anything else I forgot to bring up.

cubitoishere

Son I got muted on the disc server because I was saying that they shouldnt be prohibiting conversation about this
I just said "They fumbled by doing so" and Instantly got muted for an ENTIRE DAY!

Meanwhile the rest of the chats where saying the same stuff again and again, I am just seeing how they delete messages about the situation, and its clear that are messages that they dont like because they are really aware of what happened

Finding this game was a miracle to me because it was combining the best two parts of LEGO Worlds and Little Big Planet, a game where you can just make more games!

But knowing how the staff acts and the fact that they are deciding to really take it this way is really off putting for a new player like myself, its insane how easy it was just to say "Hey we are aware of this we will try to release a response" BEFORE deleting messages, BEFORE muting channels, BEFORE muting people! I'm really mad, and sad about this honestly