The Brickadia Controversy - Post your issues here

DingoAnanas

Cardboard Its ok this place is made for it. Rothary and i tried to rant at the devs asking for explanations for like, 3 years more or less now, we faced a wall. This is an echochamber. Idk how it work in their head, but surely it need maintenance (heh). They prob wont unban you. Move on, or do what totoldile said. Sorry for that.

Queuenard

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There is a destructive and asocial psychological behavior present in internet communities and relates mostly to self-selection and echo chambers. The way certain internet communities and communication methods work has allowed these people to voraciously self-select the people with whom they talk and interact. Any person who poses a problem or inconvenience for these supposed communities, whether or not that person is right, wrong or acting in good faith, can be removed with a single click of the ban button. Most forum and messaging software also does not expose that a moderation action has even taken place, resulting in an ambiguous sense of normality to members of these communities. Moderators are free to play favorites or take action inconsistently because the community at-large is not normally made aware of these actions by design. Moderators count on their communities not being able to scrutinize their actions.

Of course this is prima facie contrary to how one might think the internet is supposed to work. You are supposed to be exposed to ideas you don’t like or ideas you haven’t even considered yet. The self-selected communities constrict the overton window and descend further and further into uniformity.

Discord fits neatly into this picture. You can delete posts without anyone else knowing. You can ban people and nobody will know. You even have an option to retroactively delete all of that person’s posts (/r/Art moment) and of course, nobody will know. External monitoring is also extremely difficult and third parties rarely do it in the first place, so the chances of it happening are even lower. There is also a point where you piss off your best people, some of whom are the ones to have the foresight and curiosity to externally monitor moderation, such that nobody would even bother anymore as they start thinking your community is worthless and not even worth the time. It’s a death spiral that briefly looks better in the middle than it did at the beginning because the checks and balances stopped functioning before the middle.

This forum breaks that a little. This forum is at or near position #1 on web searches for “brickadia moderation”. Everything we say here is picked up by search engines. That’s why they hate forums and especially ones they don’t control. Forums will also not usually retroactively delete posts if a person gets banned. The moderators have a better chance at being held accountable.

I certainly wish I could promise that a greener pasture is just around the corner but I can assure you that important and influential people are watching this kind of behavior and they (we?) know it’s awful.

zombie_striker

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I feel this post so much. I am Zombie_Striker on every account - Discord, Reddit, Minecraft, Steam, Blockland, Brickadia, ect….. because that is me. I have a friend, who also is attached to his username, and because he annoyed a right-wing Unturned group/youtuber, he was labeled a pedophile and an online hate campaign started that ruined his online image. Depending on who you ask, most people will only know him for a "dossier" that shows he is a furry, support trans people, asked questions about plural people, and had a relationship with at 16 yo *when he was 16.
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He had to create an entirely new username because of it, and because I started to get dragged down because of it, I also then either had to choose to stay with my username and potentially be called a "pedophile supporter/enabler", or swap my usernames entirely. I ultimately chose to keep my username because it was that special to me - it is me - so I truly understand this feeling.

I also know that they probably won't back down unless they are shown how fucking dumb the moderation ruling is (Remember when they banned trans flags because you couldn't create the nazi flags on a historically accurate WW2 server?). Unless you can muster enough people on the outside, or muster enough support from people on the inside who are also disgrunted/supportive, you're not gonna get far - which is to say you must gather support. This is not an easy fight, and it really should not have to be a fight, but it has to be.

I'm not banned by them (yet… I'm doubtful my critiques here will be looked upon favorably either), so I would like to support you if I can, and I also want to keep playing as well. I will probably start doing youtube videos again, try to gain popularity within the brickadia community again, and keep myself in good spirits while I do good work. I also know the EOL relays still exist, and IDK if the ban prevents users from using EOL servers in general, but I wish you the best in finding a way to do what is right.

Queuenard

zombie_striker Remember, the more entrenched you are the more they can threaten you because you have more to lose. They can cut off your access to the game even if the servers you're connecting to want you to play or you want to manually invite people. Personally I don't participate in any service that interferes with my ability to connect with others.

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zombie_striker thanks for the advice. and i'm sorry to hear that about your friend. i hope something can be done, i want action to be taken and i want people to fight for what's right.

zombie_striker

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So, your statement is that the more entrenched and **important** I am to their survival/popularity, the more they can threaten me? Somehow, I imagine the opposite, where me having more leverage over them through popularity means I have more leverage to prevent them from attacking me - especially if I already have the following I do.

Yeah, they can take it away, and if they do…. I let people know, and they will either speak out (i mean normal, non sycophants) and either cause more outrage till I am returned, or create more damage threatening them not to do it again/hurting them if they do.

Note, this is about actual leverage in the case they do something stupid. However, I see the devs are atleast trying, and wish to give them the benefit of the doubt that they can grow in this regard, especially now that they're really trying to push out the next update for the next influx of players.

DingoAnanas

zombie_striker They could start by unbanning everyone from discord or stop banning them for "external factors"

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DingoAnanas agreed. it sucks that i can't play multiplayer because of some random "external factor", even though the community said "external factor" is from had nothing to do with brickadia. like, i know i say this a lot, but if it doesn't come from a community they don't personally moderate, why should they bother with moderating the user over something that happened outside the walls and juristidction of Brickadia?

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Brickitect got a reply from Brickbot, and, uh, it don't look good…

'This is a matter that has already been addressed and discussed internally. This user has already appealed, and their ban was upheld. At this time, we will not process any further appeals or communications with or regarding them.'

Cardboard

Cardboard god fucking dammit, i've already waited 3 fucking years as is, what do they expect me to do, wait more? **** no! i ain't got time to fucking wait around, i'm at my limit here!

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Cardboard I just joined this and i tell you, you can NOT win against theses retarded idiots. This game is made from the biggest asholes i ever seen, and nothing you can do will make them change. They are like brainless bots apes that will never be able to understand that sometimes, people do mistakes, and everyone need a 2nd chance. Also yes pedo shit was a very funny case of them protecting their own shit then once people find out, they pretend to act.

I left this game and asked for a refund because in no way i want to give such idiots money. Do they realize the more they do shit, the more people post here, and apparently the google bot is indexing all of this and more and more people do get to view this.

I understand better why they dont do anything outside discord, external people can not monitor what they do, and they cant be held accountable for their actions. I think queuenard said this on some other page in this forum (3 months later thread).

It sadden me because this game has a lot of potential, but all is ruined by the two main apes in control (the moderators are also made of the same shit cake).

Leave this game, or get an alt.

DingoAnanas

[deleted] Please moderate yourself. Having the ability to post in anonymous doesnt mean you need to present your point of view this way. We all agree with you regarding the general idea of how devs are acting anyway.

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tbh i don't really know what to do myself… should i gather support, find a small amount of brickadians to fight for my cause? or do i just give up and accept defeat? giving up and moving on is like pulling teeth but idk what else to do… i could probably just ask for help from outside and inside sources or whatever… protests aren't going to work, neither are resistance movements… i really just don't know since i've exhausted all my options.

DingoAnanas

Cardboard Oh you know, rothary and i got support from some important people but nothing happened. People complaining to them got warnings or temp bans. Move on and get an alt

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DingoAnanas i can't just get an alt… i just can't. trying to get rid of something i've spent most of this decade working on (i.e, the Cardboard persona and the various avatars that persona has across various platforms) that i've grown rather attached to and fond of is like pulling teeth. it's difficult, it's painful and i'd rather not deal with it because of how much it'd hurt.

i spent 3 years fighting for this shit across various brick games, do you think i can just fucking give up and try some new fucking persona and avatar that feels like wearing the skin of a different person and trying to be someone i'm not?

because i certainly don't. i am Cardboard, Cardboard is me, Cardboard is who i am as an internet user, to get rid of all of this in favour of some random new persona would feel like shooting myself in the foot.

it's just too hard to separate myself from Cardboard, literally everyone who knows me on the internet knows me as Cardboard in one form or another.

and i get that it's fucking pointless trying to continue as is because those damn fucking moderators are such fucking assholes, and i should probably save my breath for some other thing, but, like, i care about brickadia, we all care about brickadia in some form or another, and i personally loved every second i spent in multiplayer and i just want that feeling back, that feeling of being accepted, that sense of community, the sense of people bonding over a common interest. sure there's the rockwell discord and this forum, but those are rather one dimensional ways of interacting with fellow users, i just want to interact with fellow brickheads in the way the devs intended, not through independent forums or discords, but through the medium of Brickadia, the medium of freebuilds, TDMs, mucking about with your mates, the joys of learning how to build cool shit in real time with real people. i'm sorry to drag on and on and i'm sorry if the first half of this seemed a bit mean, i'm just writing shit from the bottom of my heart, even if it means being a bit rough, a bit obtuse and a bit unfiltered.

Cardboard

this shit is frustrating, and i know it's pointless trying to even fathom the idea of messaging such a bullshit mod team, and i get i'd be better off if i just gave up, but, like, i've tried various brick games, be they mainstream affairs like ROBLOX or random shithole niche clones of ROBLOX,and a lot of them are just terrible terrible piles of shit with awful communities, but Brickadia was where i felt i was happiest. the community was lovely, the game looked absolutely stunning, and the fact that everything was done in world and on foot felt great, because i was so tired of the usual trappings of ROBLOX and ROBLOX-Likes where there's a giant app-store-like platform of games and a separate Unity-like IDE for making games, where you'd open up a separate app to make games and a separate app to play games, and making games for those platforms was a very involved process with lots of bells and whistles and things to learn and keep track of.

i think Brickadia has the potential to flourish into something that outdoes blockland in every way possible, and i do love the community, but those damn son-of-a-bitch moderators and developers are holding it back significantly. i just want what's right for me. most people who i interacted with last week or the week before during my "accidental" unban would agree that i was doing no harm and that i was just hanging out in servers, being nice and friendly and having a great time.

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i get that i should probably let other people yap about their moderation struggles, but i don't think any notable cases happened since Rothary and Dingo's bannings, surrounding controversy and eventual unbans apart from mine. and mine is one barely anyone in the brickadia scene apart from the users of this forum.has heard about.

DingoAnanas

Cardboard You do what you feel is good. If others people want to post stuff, they can, but it should not prevent you from doing such

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DingoAnanas fair enough. i just hope there's someone out there in this vast sea of brickheads who notices me and thinks "y'know, i really agree that this Cardboard fellow was done dirty! i should help!"

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DingoAnanas i agree, just because people have the ability to anonymously post doesn't mean they are able to act unmoderated and be a jackass.

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